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      <title>Getting it Right: Delicious vs. Blink</title>
      <link>http://clipclip.org/chao/clips/detail/985</link>
      <category>bookmarking, web2.0</category>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:24:32 -0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Congratulations to Josh on the &lt;a href="http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2005/12/yahoo.html" title="del.icio.us: y.ah.oo!"&gt;del.ico.us
acquisition&lt;/a&gt;. Yahoo will make a great partner for the
bookmarking service.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now a little part of me is cringing as I write this. Having
founded a bookmarking company in 1999 with pretty much the exact
same vision as the new crop of services, I’ve got to feel, well, a
little stupid. (or angry, or depressed, or whatever). Maybe writing
about it will make me feel better and maybe even help me make a
point or two about product development.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When we founded Blink.com (no link love, it’s a crappy search
site now) the founders and I imagined a self-reinforcing product
cycle:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Consumers needed portable bookmarks so they wouldn’t lose
them, would be able to access them from any computer, and could
share them with friends or coworkers;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. As part of the process of bookmarking sites and organizing
them into "folders" users would be indicating a measure of quality
and connectedness among the URLs;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Profit!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK, step 3 was a little more complicated. But the essence was
that we would use the personal-backup product attributes to create
a public search engine and "discovery engine" (I believe the
marketing folks wanted to use that phrase!) based on user
bookmarks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This really shouldn’t sound too different from what del.ico.us
was able to do, and we had something like $13 million to play with
to make it happen. Not to mention that there were others with the
same idea. Remember Backflip? So (besides the money), why did we
fail and del.ico.us and the other Web 2.0 companies succeed?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think it was that we were "too early" or that we got
killed when the bubble burst. I believe it all came down to product
design, and to some very slight differences in approach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To start, we launched Blink with a bevy of marketing dollars and
a message very much focused on the individual storage benefits. We
were very successful at attracting users (at its height Blink has
1.5 million members, del.ico.us currently has 300,000) and getting
them to import their bookmarks into our system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
                        &lt;b&gt;Mistake: Defaults Matter&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Members were given the ability to make their folders "public",
which would then allow those folders to be seen on a member page
(here’s &lt;a href="http://www.blinkpro.com/members/ari"&gt;mine&lt;/a&gt;).
Folders were private by default, so users had to choose to make
folders public one at a time. This severely limited the proportion
of our bookmarks that were made public. In retrospect I think we
didn’t fully buy in to our vision of a shared bookmark database,
and as a result we designed the product with an over-emphasis on
the private bookmarking aspect, instead of the public. We were also
sure that users would have vast troves of porn bookmarks.&lt;/p&gt;
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                        &lt;b&gt;Mistake: Folders Suck&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Our first iteration on using bookmarks to create a shared
information library was an extension of the "public folder"
concept. We believed that users would not only make their folders
public, but also would categorize those folders into a directory
structure. We called this the "Public Library" and created a
Yahoo-like node structure on which users could post. This could
have made sense since categorizing folders would be less work than
categorizing individual bookmarks – after all, the folders were
already "categories" of a sort.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were several severe problems with this folder-based
approach. First, people are very bad and inconsistent at organizing
things. One day etrade.com will go into the "finance" folder and
another day it will go into the "favorite links" folder. We were
taking this fundamental flaw and squaring it – asking users to use
graph their existing categorization onto a second arbitrary
structure within the public library. Does my "finance" folder go
into the "Business" directory or the "Personal" directory?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there was the issue of how deep to go when categorizing
folders. If I’ve got a folder of "online brokerages" do I put it in
the directory at the level of "Finance" since my folder is in a
sense a sub-category of finance, or do I put it within the
pre-existing "Finance -&amp;gt; Brokerage" directory? Users were
confused, and with good reason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
                        &lt;b&gt;Mistake: Make it Instantly Useful&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Even with the severe ontological problems presented by our
flawed public folder concept, we still had thousands of new folder
postings per week. Users liked the concept of sharing bookmarks and
were anxious to give it a try. But how useful was all the data
being posted?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once again, the folder concept doomed us. We only displayed what
was posted on the site, which were folders. So if you were to
search or navigate to the "Finance" section of our directory you
would see…folders…hundreds of them. All of which had been given the
helpful name "Finance" by their owners. Or maybe the more helpful
"Financial sites" or "Finance bookmarks" or "Finance and banking".
You get the point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why didn’t we just list out the top 10 bookmarks within each
category? Well by building a folder based system we had made the
job of calculating the union of all this data an order of magnitude
more complex. The query to find the top sites that existed in
hundreds of folders would have brought down our (poorly designed)
database in a heartbeat. Eventually we did build something like
this, but by that time it was too late.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
                        &lt;b&gt;Mistake: Don’t Let Technology Decide&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;We understood that actively searching for new bookmarks would be
a fairly rare activity among our users. We needed to build a way to
let them discover new sites relating to their own interests in a
more passive way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The engineering team went to work, building a complex algorithm
for evaluating the groupings of sites within folders (damn
folders!) and finding other sites that had been grouped similarly.
It was pretty sophisticated stuff. Sophisticated enough that it
couldn’t run in real-time and often had a several day processing
backlog to overcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We added a "find similar" button to the Blink interface, and the
results were often quite good. The problem was that we were once
again asking the user to go out and do things. The vision was that
the similar sites would just be there, the same way Amazon presents
you with the related products. But the servers couldn’t handle it.
They could barely handle it when the users actually clicked to see
results, let alone on every pageview.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suggested a compromise. Instead of the algorithm, how about
just using the text of the folder name as the key. Show the top 10
sites in all folders with the same name, across all users. I was
basically suggesting a rudimentary tagging system, using folder
names as tags. I was voted down – too simplistic, too hacky. And
anyway we had this sophisticated algorithm, which might work one
day …&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;The Bottom Line: Getting It Right&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;This post wasn’t meant as a defense of Blink or my own decisions
while I was there. My intent was to show that product design
matters. We had more money, more users, a five year head start, and
some really, really smart people working on bookmarking in 1999.
The bottom line is that we simply didn’t get it right. Some simple
innovations like using tags instead of folders, making public the
default, building better discovery features, etc made the
difference between being an also-ran and a hot acquisition
target.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class="posted"&gt;December 10, 2005 03:59 PM | Topics: &lt;a href="http://www.aripaparo.com/archive/cat_internet_marketing.html"&gt;Internet
Marketing&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.aripaparo.com/archive/cat_popular.html"&gt;Popular&lt;/a&gt;
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      <title>Tagworld</title>
      <link>http://clipclip.org/chao/clips/detail/438</link>
      <category>bookmarking, web2.0</category>
      <pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:03:42 -0000</pubDate>
      <guid>http://clipclip.org/chao/clips/detail/438</guid>
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I just checked the site. In the time it took me to write this profile, Tagworld added another 1,500 users. In the end, customer acquisition and monetization is all that really matters.
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